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[leppie]

HaivhHundhesthuuuudh!
By the way, in calabrese (an group of Italian dialects, and also sicilian is some way)
there's aspiration after almost any plosive consonant.

[Car]

I understood it, too.

[E}{pugnator]

So, what ejective consonants are?! They are exactly the opposite!!! Words pronounced with (almost) no air released from your mouth! (I said "almost" because it's impossible that not a single air moleculum leave your mouth when you talk).

An example of what may resemble an ejective consonant is the "ch" at the word "school" in American pronounciation (i guess). Notice that when you say the "ch" it's like if u were speaking to "yourself", to your throat. This is because the "s" already releases too much air, i guess...

Rather than having simple "t" 's or "p" 's, Georgian has these pairs, ejective/aspirated consonants. So, we have an aspirated t (a t plus the small h) and an ejective t, which is represented in the IPA as an apostrophe right after the letter [t']. Ahm and there's still the voiced consonant (they don't have aspirated/ejective oposition). Then we could form a "trio":

th (aspirated) - t' (ejective) d (voiced)

Comments r welcome...

[Psi-Lord]

I've found what seems to be a good definition:

ejective
Said of sounds (generally unvoiced stops) that are produced in the following way: the airstream is closed in some point (for example, for an ejective /p/, the lips), and the glottis is closed too. Then both closures are released at the same time. An ejective consonant followed by a vowel can be simulated by making a pause between them, and then progressively joining the consonant with the pause. These sounds are also known as egressive glottalics.

Source: http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/nyh/lng/glossary.html

[leppie]

I've tried to reproduce them
(you can listen it on
http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/ipa ... fbmp3.html)
The p looks like the sound that's produced when you're "making a fish" (or a least
so happens in Italy)

[ekalin]

you can listen it on
http://www.ling.hf.ntnu.no/ipa/full/ipa ... fbmp3.html

After hearing and trying to imitate, I've come to the conclusion that it is easier than it seems.

The p looks like the sound that's produced when you're "making a fish"

What the * is "making a fish"?

[leppie]

When you inflate (?) your cheeks, and suddenly open your lips, imitating a fiish...

[ekalin]

When you inflate (?) your cheeks, and suddenly open your lips, imitating a fiish...

Guess I don't master the technique. I've tried, and it did not sound like an ejective p. Neither like a fish, BTW...

[E}{pugnator]

As I said above, ejectives are represented with an apostrophe after the letter [t'], and aspirated with an "upperwritten"(? - sobrescrito) "h" [th].

Leppie, from http://www.omniglot.com/writing/georgian2.htm you can find the phonetic symbols (some might be wrong, though). I'd like you to select all ejective consonants (those which are represented with a letter plus an apostrophe) and post here (at the Armazi site you you find a nice explanation about this topic).

By the way, who wants to listen to georgian music? i know at least two websites with songs to be downloaded freely and legally as MP3's:

www.irakli.ru
www.liza.ge

Tell me if you find good ones...

[leppie]

There are 6 of them (i put them in Big size...otherwise they are difficult to read)

k' კ and its name is კანი
t' ტ and its name is ტანი
p' პ and its name is პარი
ʦ' წ and its name is წილი
ʧ' ჭ and its name is ჭარი
q' ყ and its name is ყარი

( კ and პ are very similar...)

[E}{pugnator]

Sorry for not having relied lately, i'm still trying to find a more effective way for us to memorize the characters.

Don't know if I'm saying it again, but I want to find some international words that look the same in Georgian and English for the transcription exercises...I've mailed the guy that made the Unilang's Basic georgian Wordlist, but got no reply yet. Perhaps he hasn't received my e-mail...I think I will try it mylsef.

Anyways, I want you to visit his page. It has some nice resources and an English-georgian dictionary...Perhaps u find some words that sound similar in both languages and can be used for the exercises

http://sisauri.tripod.com/files/index.html

[Guest]

Hello all,

I need feedback again...You still following this thread?

I have a lot of things to post, I even have a message already written, I even got some words for transcription exercises, but for technical reasons I couldn't be able to copy it and post it here.

Gonna give you an interesting work: I want you to compare the Georgian alphabet with the Greek one, specially the letters' order (the georgian alphabet is accepted as to have being derived from the Greek one) and tell me: which are the "normal" letters in georgian , the ones Georgians usually employ when transcribing foreign/western words?! The ejective or the aspirated ones?! (Of course this question is appliable only for letters whice come in ejective/aspirated pairs, like t, ts, ch etc.).

[leppie]

Hello all,

I need feedback again...You still following this thread?

Yeeees.

Gonna give you an interesting work: I want you to compare the Georgian alphabet
with the Greek one, specially the letters' order (the georgian alphabet is accepted
as to have being derived from the Greek one) and tell me: which are the
"normal" letters in georgian , the ones Georgians usually employ when
transcribing foreign/western words?! The ejective or the aspirated ones?!
(Of course this question is appliable only for letters whice come in ejective/aspirated
pairs, like t, ts, ch etc.).

mh...
...
mh...
I'll be back soon!

[leppie]

Don't know if I'm saying it again, but I want to find some international words that look the same in Georgian and English for the transcription exercises..

I've Found some. I'm not going to give the translations!

I hope they're right (in particular wowels)...
I've done the work yesterday night, almost sleeping.

ავტორი
ავტორიტეტი
კინო
ევროპა
ევროპიალი
ირონია
იტალია
კრიმლინ
ლილიპუტო
ლიონო
ლიტუა
ლივერპული
მაკარონი
მარტო
პაკეტი
პარალილი
პარლამენი
ფატრიოტი
პოეტი
ტოკიო
ვულკანი

[leppie]

There're a lot more, once we know s, d and g

I haven't found any with
ყ, წ or ჭ
besides this i've often seen the cluster: წყ...
looks strange!