Nederlands vs Flamands WHAT IS DIFFERENT IN THOSE TWO?

[Sander]

Ergens goesting in hebben.

[Dminor]

Ik wil geen boel met jou.

[Sander]

wa zegde nou allemoal?

[Dminor]

Woorden die ik geleerd heb toen ik uit pure interesse een tijdje rondzwierf op de chatbox van www.stubru.be.

[Sander]

Woorden die ik geleerd heb toen ik uit pure interesse een tijdje rondzwierf op de chatbox van www.stubru.be.

Klinkt eerder als pure verveling

[dirkmath]

Goesting is verkozen tot het mooiste Vlaamse woord voor 2005.

[Dminor]

Woorden die ik geleerd heb toen ik uit pure interesse een tijdje rondzwierf op de chatbox van www.stubru.be.

Klinkt eerder als pure verveling

Noem het zoals je wilt. Heb er destijds nog wel een knap staaltje vrouwelijk schoon uit Brussel van overgehouden.

Goesting is verkozen tot het mooiste Vlaamse woord voor 2005.

Oh ja? En terecht.

[Sander]

Noem het zoals je wilt. Heb er destijds nog wel een knap staaltje vrouwelijk schoon uit Brussel van overgehouden.

That's my D

[Dminor]

[greg-fr]

Belgian help needed. I read somewhere there are differences between France's West Flemish and Belgium's variant. For instance French loanwords are more numerous in FWF than in BWF. Do you agree ?

[Blake]

No, some dialects have the potential of being languages.

A dialect is a full language. Prove me that I'm wrong. One can write a complete syntax of a dialect.

But that works both ways. Where Flemish people will use 'conficatie' most Dutch people will say 'bericht/mededeling'.

I have also never heard about this word. The two Flemish people on this forum have never heard about it, so I guess Flemish people don't often use this word. I have noticed quite often that Dutch people have a rather incorrect view on how Flemish people speak. This isn't a reproach, probably we also have a n incorrect view on how you speak.

[Blake]

Belgian help needed. I read somewhere there are differences between France's West Flemish and Belgium's variant. For instance French loanwords are more numerous in FWF than in BWF. Do you agree ?

I don't quite understand your question. Do you mean the part of Flanders in France uses more French loanwords? Well, that would be quite obvious, wouldn't it?

[greg-fr]

Blake : I mentioned French loanwords as one example of the differences between France's West Flemish and West Flemish of Belgium. The question was actually about any differences, not loanwords only.

[Sander]

No, some dialects have the potential of being languages.

A dialect is a full language. Prove me that I'm wrong. One can write a complete syntax of a dialect.

Sure, Haags ( niet plat Haags) it's a dialect but a speaker of BN can understand every single word of it.

Read: Not a language.

I have also never heard about this word. The two Flemish people on this forum have never heard about it, so I guess Flemish people don't often use this word. I have noticed quite often that Dutch people have a rather incorrect view on how Flemish people speak. This isn't a reproach, probably we also have a n incorrect view on how you speak.

Ah that's logical . So you 2 represent 5,5 million Flemings? Btw, the word I meant was 'convocatie' .

A feeling is creaping up to me that you're a purist Blake I know what I've heard.

[Sander]

Belgian help needed. I read somewhere there are differences between France's West Flemish and Belgium's variant. For instance French loanwords are more numerous in FWF than in BWF. Do you agree ?

I don't quite understand your question. Do you mean the part of Flanders in France uses more French loanwords? Well, that would be quite obvious, wouldn't it?

Blake he means the West Flemish dialect (Westvlaams) not 'Flemish spoken in the West of Belgium'.

[dirkmath]

But still he is right: The Westvlaams dialect in France has more French loanwords than the Westvlaams dialect in Belgium. And this is indeed very obvious when you consider that is was Louis XIV that annexed Frans-Vlaanderen into France.

[Sander]

But still he is right

Of course he is, but not entirely since the West Flemish dialect speaker uses more French loans than the average 'ordinary' flemming in that area

[greg-fr]

Agree with Sander. 99 % of French West-Flemish-speakers (native or not) also speak French (most of them natively). They use French loanwords in their variant of WF. It's not Louis XIV who decided that a swan was cygne in France's WF.

And as Sander pointed out, I was referring to Westvlaams. Sorry if it wasn't clear.

[Blake]

Blake : I mentioned French loanwords as one example of the differences between France's West Flemish and West Flemish of Belgium. The question was actually about any differences, not loanwords only.

Well, I'm from West-Flanders and also speak West-Flemish. There are some differences between the dialect in the French part and the dialect of the Flemish part. In fact, they have been evolving quite separately and sometimes, even I have difficulty understanding French Flemish speaking persons (even though I speak West-Flemish).

I should note, however, that I don't think that there are still a lot of people speaking some form of Dutch/Flemish in Northern France. And even if they do, it's more a culture-thing than really a language thing.

[Blake]

Ah that's logical . So you 2 represent 5,5 million Flemings? Btw, the word I meant was 'convocatie' .

A feeling is creaping up to me that you're a purist Blake I know what I've heard.

Well, I think that 2 Flemish people living in Flanders represent the Flemish more than one Dutchman living in the Netherlands. But nevertheless, the point I wanted to make was, that I - even in my daily speech with LOTS OF other Flemish people - had never heard it.

I'm not at all a purist. It's rather you who is one, because you claim that dialects aren't languages. What is a language then?