Differences between written spoken Iranian Persian

[PersanDeCoeur]

I haven't been able to find a good reference for differences between written and spoken Iranian Persian.

[alijsh]

«Grammaire du persan contemporain» is a good source. There are many mistakes in what you posted:

man -> man
to -> to
u -> IS NOT USED IN SPOKEN PERSIAN. Instead, we use the demonstrative pronouns.
mâ -> mâ
ŝomâ -> ŝomâ
ân -> un
in -> in
ânhâ -> un'â («h» of «hâ» drops)
inhâ -> in'â
iŝân -> iŝun
hamân -> hamun
hamin -> hamin
haminhâ -> hamin'â
hamânhâ -> hamun'â

bâ man -> bâhâm
bâ to -> bâhât
bâ u -> bâhâŝ
bâ mâ -> bâhâmun
bâ ŝomâ -> bâhâtun
bâ ânhâ, bâ iŝân -> bâhâŝun

be man -> behem
be to -> behet
be u -> beheŝ
be mâ -> behemun
be ŝomâ -> behetun
be ânhâ, be iŝân -> beheŝun

az man -> azam
az to -> azat
az u -> azaŝ
az mâ -> azamun
az ŝomâ -> azatun
az ânhâ, az iŝân -> azaŝun

[peterlin]

I haven't been able to find a good reference for differences between written spoken Iranian Persian.

Admittedly, this page I wrote leaves out many important things, but it's better than nothing.

I wonder why, after all those years (it's been online since 2004 or so) and my countless plug-ins here and elsewhere, it still remains virtually unknown.

[arsham]

Here are some general observations:

1- rounding of long -aa before nasals especially n: aan-> un; xiyaabaan-> xiyaabun; tamaam-> tamum; hammaam-> ham(m)um etc.

2-the 3rd person singular ending -ad becomes -e in all cases: midaanad-> midune;
except when the present stem or its contraction ends in -aa: mixaahad-> mixaad; miaayad-> miyaad

3- the personal endings for 2nd and 3rd persons plural are -id -> in and -and -> -an

4- the direct object marker is usually pronounced ro or -o;

5- there's a contrastive marker -e, which is systematically used with demonstratives: un doxtare, in xunehe etc. it becomes -a before ro: in ketaabaro xundam

6- the plural is formed mostly using -aa (contraction of haa) and very rarely with -un (-aan) as in cheshmun

7- present stems with a final or median v (historical w) or a final -h undergo contractions:
rav- --> r- eg. miram
shav- --> sh e.g. mishe
tavaan- --> tun- mitunin
xvaah- --> xaa- mixaam, mixaayn
dah- --> d- midam, midan

8- there are also omissions of final consonants in few words:
aaxar --> aaxe
digar --> dige
cheshm --> chesh

9- usage of "de" to denote exclamation or (positive or negative) astonishment, which is definitely reminiscent of Old Tehrani, e.g. de aaxe in che kaari e? de saaket mishi yaa na?

10-usage of ke instead of hengaami ke or vaqti ke in short clauses, e.g: diruz ke daashtam az xiyaabun rad mishodam, didamesh

and others!

[PersanDeCoeur]

Thanks so much for your help. It will take me a while to thoroughly digest all this information!

I would like to correct my initial post to remove the erroneous information, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

@peterlin your page is a treasure trove of information, and it deserves to be more well known. The problem is that it has not been ranked by Google. The most important and easiest thing to do to improve the chance of people finding it is to change the title of the page. "A guide to The Tehrani vernacular" is a very nice title, but it doesn't contain many keywords people are likely to search with. I would suggest changing the title to something containing simpler keywords, like Persian, farsi, pronunciation, spoken, etc.

The second thing is to have incoming links to your page from other websites. You do have 3 that come from unilang, but for some reason Google hasn't deemed them to be credible. I made a post on my blog with links to this thread and to your page. This should help raise the Google ranking a little bit.

[eskandar]

I would like to correct my initial post to remove the erroneous information, but I couldn't figure out how to do it.

Go look at your initial post. There should be a button that says *Edit; click it, and you can edit your post.

[PersanDeCoeur]

To say "Do you want to have tea with us?" in spoken Persian, I was taught "Mikhâid bâ mâ châi bokhorid?".

But if I apply the rule given by AliJsh (bâ mâ -> bâhâmun), I would be saying "Mikhâid bâhâmun châi bokhorid?".

I'm supposing that both are correct. In the spoken language would "bâhâmun" be preferred?